archer heracles vs gilgamesh

Furthermore…it’s a very powerful engine, so please take care when using it. CasGil's profile also states that he has the same GoB as Archer (Babylonia Gil is actually more limited in that regard), so the fight should go the same way. @devoidruby: Mystic code isn’t an external amp for gil. Archer Gilgamesh being far more powerful is confirmed or at least heavily implied later in the story. Granted, Caster Gil is less arrogant so he'll try firing at areas the pelt doesn't cover (the Nemean Lion's Pelt rejects everything from human history. Infinite mana changes nothing. There are some things Gil would/should/probably does have that would get through, but Ea is the main one and Caster Gil doesn't have it. Yet that didn’t stop Enkidu from stalemating him. @sy8000: To be fair the reason Enkidu had a chance to beat Gilgamesh was because he caught his leg by surprise. My understanding is this is the strongest version of Herc so I was curious to see how a stronger version of Herc would do against a weaker Gilgamesh. Being summoned as one of the Three Knight Classes his status as a "faultless hero" is all the more appa… Enkidu doesn’t need feats against other Servants when the feats he has prove he’s Gil’s equal by virtue of canonically stalemating him in lore and his battle against Gil in strange fake showing them as being dead equal. Hassan could beat Gil the majority of the time as Grand Assassin. @jashro44: Kingu’s general power allows him to do that. And what's the misconception regarding his tattoo or mystic code? Sure, and they hyped the shit out of them and gave the CCC characters a ton of feats. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. It's a bit of schrodinger's cat. Everything else is about limited mana as an issue rather than raw power. The nature of Gate of Babylon makes it uncertain if the servant version has more weapons. He's a trade off from the regular Archer version. Are we using Caster Gilgamesh or living Gilgamesh? His actual name is Heracles, the greatest hero of Greek mythology. Gil had his ships and nukes all when he was alive too given AoGs tech. My body won’t collapse under the level of power suitable to the legend, but the king’s true strength is not to be shown lightly. @ecoblitz: his mystic code is his original power... it’s not an amp but simply him returning back to his original power. 419-994-5488. @ecoblitz: his mystic code is his original power... it’s not an amp but simply him returning back to his original power. Enkidu still needs more. Nine Lives matched a full GoB barrage which is more than I'm under the impression Caster Gilgemesh dishes out normally. He's nowhere near as versatile either though he's superior in CQC due to healing (he's made of clay so only getting his core destroyed will stop him) and stat re-allocation (he can amp one stat by lowering another). But he didn’t. Gilgamesh did empty his vault, but in that fight Enkidu lost 90% of his body. He's nowhere near as versatile either though he's superior in CQC due to healing (he's made of clay so only getting his core destroyed will stop him) and stat re-allocation (he can amp one stat by lowering another). @sy8000: living versions are without doubt superior to their servant selves when it comes to people like Gil and Enkidu. My understanding is this is the strongest version of Herc so I was curious to see how a stronger version of Herc would do against a weaker Gilgamesh. They're equal in combat but one has far more feats. It hasn't been stated there's a difference between them but we know Gil is inherently superior to all Servants via Nasuverse rules. Conditions: 1. Furthermore…it’s a very powerful engine, so please take care when using it. Unlimited Blade Works and Saber vs Gilgamesh poor swordsmanship. The weapons are all varied unlike the anime. The class container comment is in referral to servants in general being limited. Fate/Stay Night [UBW] Emiya vs Gilgamesh IN ITALIANO Anime In Italiano. Different portrayals of characters and their abilities, simple as that. HerculesVSGilgamesh RulesIn characterNo prepWin by any meansStandard gearGilgamesh is a caster only. Granted you could argued it was implied afterwards Enkidu is stronger but my understanding is Enkidu is roughly equal to Archer Gilgamesh basically? It’s less like Captain Marvel vs Superman and more along the lines that Enkidu is a built hard counter to Gilgamesh. Gil's vault increased a lot after dying, a Heroic Spirit Gil should be stronger than Living Gil because of that. I will set aside my pride only in the final battle. Gilgamesh because he is the true inheritor of One for All. Gik states in Link that him being an archer is the reason he’s wearing his golden armour for example. no actually the reason why Gilgamesh is so strong in Extra CCC because he was summoned as classless, basically the Mooncell summoned him not partially as a servant, but fully summoned him as a classless heroic spirit. Enkidu not having that is a huge difference. Not sure there's any proof living Gilgamesh is superior. Rani :: I can confirm that there is now a black box in the core of Gilgamesh’s virtual mind/body that was not previously present. Who can beat Gilgamesh(Archer)? Sakura :: Ah, no, you can’t use it here! @sy8000: living versions are without doubt superior to their servant selves when it comes to people like Gil and Enkidu. It's a bit of schrodinger's cat. Who else has been shown to be capable, or who else could theoretically do it? My point is Kingu caught Gill off guard. Loading... Unsubscribe from Anime In Italiano? not actually hercules but alcides, alcides wins mid diff. Living versions=/=servants. @swagpack: So the CCC Genesis Mystic Code can boost Gilgamesh's stats, but in Hollow Ataraxia, his Genesis Mystic Code can't?? I'm admittedly not super familiar with this version of Herc. Karna for his part is considered a match for Gilgamesh but doesn't beat top tier servants anywhere near as easily. Heracles(ヘラクレス, Herakuresu?, Hercules), the greatest hero in Greek mythology is portrayed as several different distinct characters in the Nasuverse: Berserker, an antagonistic Servant in Fate/stay night. Even when Gilgamesh uses the gauntlet of his … The Extra timelines have entirely different power levels than the main timelines; and CCC Gilgamesh was created by the Moon Cell, which makes him far more powerful. @zgtfreak: he is free to dm me a correction because from what I’ve seen that’s it. Living Gil should be more powerful than Caster Gil, and even then he was still only able to walk away from his battle with Kingu because Kingu was messed up mentally. But he didn’t. Enkidu still needs more. Gil has few mana concerns to begin with because GoB uses very little energy. Alcides already no-sold a standard GoB barrage). Please limit your use of it to one time only. Alcides by contrast did very well against Archer Gilgamesh, and scaling from Gil is why Enkidu is considered impressive. Not seeing how this is a fight. Now it should be possible to raise spirit-particle rank according to Gilgamesh’s will. It’s stated that Saber Alter needs infinite mana to possibly surpass her living self. Gil’s gonna have a harder time given Alcides has Magic Resistance A, Battle Continuation A+ and top notch Minds Eye along with a One shot method via his hydra arrows. Artoria for example missing her lance, dagger and such. no actually the reason why Gilgamesh is so strong in Extra CCC because he was summoned as classless, basically the Mooncell summoned him not partially as a servant, but fully summoned him as a classless heroic spirit. Which is a crucial difference. I'm not sure his firing accuracy would be the same because that's more of an Archer class thing, then again Gil doesn't have hawkeye or clairvoyance so maybe not. Caster Gil does seem more precise and tactical with his fighting style than archer Gil. @devoidruby: I guess living Gil if he is stronger. Alcides is a strong hero with parameters higher than Gilgamesh and strong enough to be denoted as quite strong by Enkidu's Presence Detection. He also has another NP that lets him steal other NPs but I don't think we know enough about how it works. @zgtfreak: Well I said equivalent, I'm pretty sure even Grand servants aren't fully summoned, as it stated that it's only a bigger container than a regular servant, IIRC, it doesn't state they are fully summoned as a Heroic Spirit, but a bigger container. @sy8000: Merlin when he showed up in the underworld was his living incarnation and he casually displayed far greater Magecraft than anyone else before him. In Strange Fake, Enkidu uses an NP that lets him make weapons out of earth to counter GoB. Living versions=/=servants. He sacrifices God Hand for 12 NPs to match his 12 labors. He won't be as lenient against a much more dangerous foe. He cannot turn into an archer. Gilgamesh, Archer vs Archer (Fate/stay night) - This is a tough one. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Alcides by contrast did very well against Archer Gilgamesh, and scaling from Gil is why Enkidu is considered impressive. My body won’t collapse under the level of power suitable to the legend, but the king’s true strength is not to be shown lightly. Gilgamesh also sort of has to be superior by sheer concept. 1 year ago. Additionally, Gilgamesh is armed with the Archer class’s high star absorption, further increased by Collector EX, as well as the Independent Action passive skill, making him a highly reliable critical damage dealer to boot. He also had good enough aim to shoot those jewels out of Ishtar's hand. The epics of Heracles and Gilgamesh are an exceptionally good example of these similarities. So Gil = Enkidu > Alcides > Episode 5 Kingu > Living Caster Gilgamesh > Servant Caster Gilgamesh. Alcides is less of a mouthfull by the way. Gilgamesh :: Naturally. Gil had his ships and nukes all when he was alive too given AoGs tech. Initially worried that he was going after the girl, the group notice that he was going after to kill a beast that was behind the girl. Sure, and they hyped the shit out of them and gave the CCC characters a ton of feats. Enkidu’s weapons are all in par with Gil’s weapons and as shown in Strange Fake are enough to stop Gil’s most serious GoB spam to date. The Extra timelines have entirely different power levels than the main timelines; and CCC Gilgamesh was created by the Moon Cell, which makes him far more powerful. GoB also has more than just projectile weapons, it has ships, nuclear warheads, etc. True Archer Herc wins mid-diff at the very most. The rest of the mystic codes were amps for other servants but not Gilgamesh. Songs used: 8 bit version by The Voyagr: https://soundcloud.com/the_voyagr Other songs: https://pastebin.com/2LEJCLAC If Gil saw Archer as less of a threat, there wouldn't have been any reason for him to shoot at the guy while his back was turned and busy with Shirou. True Archer, his mind being free of madness or the hate against the gods, is an extremely heroic individual. Between the four, in a round robin i'd go with the following results: Heracles vs Gilgamesh: Gilgamesh wins 7 out of 10 times. 6 Gilgamesh: Gilgamesh's Respect While Gilgamesh is scared of Archer, on the flip side, this means that he holds in relative high regard. Alcides isn't necessarily the strongest version of Hercules. @zgtfreak: he is free to dm me a correction because from what I’ve seen that’s it. I originally thought the same as you. Servant Merlin couldn’t do jack against Gorgon while Living Merlin showed up and just negated the Chaos Tide. People need to remember that Caster Gil is actually better as a support than anything (his only EX-ranked NP in this state is used to give perfect battle tactics). Followers . He also has another NP that lets him steal other NPs but I don't think we know enough about how it works. Gil Beats certain servants easier than other servants because he naturally has the best matchup against them. Only things made by gods for gods, or monsters, can bypass it. Unless you want me to believe every single weapons that Gilgamesh blasted at Enkidu didn’t have any special effects at all. 24. Living Gil should be more powerful than Caster Gil, and even then he was still only able to walk away from his battle with Kingu because Kingu was messed up mentally. Gilgamesh is the Archer-class Servant of Tokiomi Tohsaka during the Fourth Holy Grail War. One clash does not dead equals make. Gil outright uses a full power Ea and Enkidu outright says they’ll “Go full throttle”. We know for a fact that Gil literally emptied his vault in his battle against Enkidu. In the anime it seems he's using the chain of heaven instead, though it does seem likely they're intended to have the same effect. This is likely the legendary mystic code. I'm basically going off of the current anime and that's the version being used. @devoidruby: Mystic code isn’t an external amp for gil. Which shows Enkidu can deal with everything in Gil’s vault Just fine. From what I've heard and read of the new SF volume, apparently Gil actually gains the upper hand on Alcides by using only GoB and only loses due to Ishtar sealing it with her key, so Gil should win this. Servants don’t scale like DBZ characters. Gik states in Link that him being an archer is the reason he’s wearing his golden armour for example. He acknowledges Archer's combat ability, at least internally, and thus sees him as a threat. Until then, I will accompany you in earnest while on my pleasure trip. Okay, show me how Enkidu stalemated them. Please limit your use of it to one time only. After Tokiomi's death, he forged a new contract with Kirei Kotomine that lasted until the Fifth Holy Grail War. Its Overkill. Out of the presented servants, I’m not sure any get the perfect 10/10 except for a few. It’s stated that Saber Alter needs infinite mana to possibly surpass her living self. It also lets you freely manipulate your stats (it raises them to star Rank, just like BB's) and makes you immune to her third eye, I cannot really cite this (beyond citing the guy who told me so) because the other routes have no translation as far as I am aware, so you are free to not take it into consideration if you want, Didn't this fight happen in canon already? Enkidu was clearly conflicted throughout the fight and it's not as if Gilgamesh can't fight without moving his leg. Enkidu has the basic aspect of his legend to show he’s Gilgamesh’s equal. He sacrifices God Hand for 12 NPs to match his 12 labors. Aclides is not really stronger than Archer Herk and is probably weaker despite being a better match up against Gilgamesh. not actually hercules but alcides, alcides wins mid diff. Even if they're meant to be alive, that doesn't explain the enormous jump in power. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. @jashro44: Kingu’s general power allows him to do that. @ecoblitz: It is because it isn’t something he Uses/has access to normally. @sy8000: To be fair the reason Enkidu had a chance to beat Gilgamesh was because he caught his leg by surprise. 214 comments. Gilgamesh also sort of has to be superior by sheer concept. You could debate a fight between those two. And not being limited to class containers in general. Discussion. Maybe. I'm not sure his firing accuracy would be the same because that's more of an Archer class thing, then again Gil doesn't have hawkeye or clairvoyance so maybe not. It’s less like Captain Marvel vs Superman and more along the lines that Enkidu is a built hard counter to Gilgamesh. It's a bit like Superman vs Captain Marvel. Now, there's going to be a lot of people who automatically go for Archer because "Gil is shit with a sword," which I disagree with, but this is for you all to debate, really. But he didn’t. He does seem to be stronger if the statements after the fight are to be believed but I don't think the gap is massive is what I am saying. @devoidruby: his mystic code is his original power... it’s not an amp but simply him returning back to his original power. It was off-screen so we don't know that he didn't use UBW, and UBW is useless against anyone but Gilgamesh anyway. I thought Gilgamesh was holding his own throughout the fight, or at least that's how it looked. The class container comment is in referral to servants in general being limited. Artoria for example missing her lance, dagger and such. He's a trade off from the regular Archer version. Which shows Enkidu can deal with everything in Gil’s vault Just fine. Gil wasn't really overwhelmed. Servants don’t scale like DBZ characters. Alcides already no-sold a standard GoB barrage). Unless you want me to believe every single weapons that Gilgamesh blasted at Enkidu didn’t have any special effects at all. Yes but Enkidu's projectiles don't have special abilities. @ecoblitz: I got the info from a guy who played the entire game in Japanese, apparently every Servant makes an assumption as to what the Mystic Code is (Nameless thinks that it is the Root, Tamamo thinks that it is her god form, Gil thinks that it is his original while Nero is just confused) and all of them are wrong, with the MC changing your origin to "You, the hero" (which is why Gil's code is the Origin Code, Tamamo's is the Sun Code, or something along these lines) so that you can bypass BB's Authority. Versus a pretty fucking gimped class for Herk. It would make no sense for this to be fair for Gilgamesh but I guess I should watch the new episode. He cannot turn into an archer. Caster Gil does seem more precise and tactical with his fighting style than archer Gil. Gil has few mana concerns to begin with because GoB uses very little energy. @sy8000: Merlin when he showed up in the underworld was his living incarnation and he casually displayed far greater Magecraft than anyone else before him. @mrballins says its a misconception if you read the fully translated game. One cannot know with a certainty whether the original creator of the epic of Gilgamesh, whose name is lost in time, or Shin-eq i-, the scribe with whose version we are familiar today, knew anything of the legend of Heracles. Everything else is about limited mana as an issue rather than raw power. Strange Fake portrays them as equal, with Enkidu having no trouble matching the Gate of Babylon and having no issue countering Ea with his Enuma Elish. Alcides, Heracles Alter showed the ability to match Gilgamesh. It's a bit like Superman vs Captain Marvel. Gilgamesh is not perfect, however. Sakura :: Ah, no, you can’t use it here! No they were playing around that’s why they were both so happy as they were fighting and laughing, and Gilgamesh even calls it a reunion when rider was coming to stop their fight cuz it was disturbing his master. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. People need to remember that Caster Gil is actually better as a support than anything (his only EX-ranked NP in this state is used to give perfect battle tactics). Karna is a strong Servant. They weren’t. In the anime it seems he's using the chain of heaven instead, though it does seem likely they're intended to have the same effect. True Archer, a Servant appearing in Fate/strange Fake. Berserker dies. The rest of the mystic codes were amps for other servants but not Gilgamesh. But yes he's Gil's closest match, except maybe Buddha. The rest of the mystic codes were amps for other servants but not Gilgamesh. Alcides isn't necessarily the strongest version of Hercules. The weapons are all varied unlike the anime. So the Gilgamesh in CCC is equal to Gilgamesh when he was alive and also equivalent to a Grand Servant. @devoidruby:>We know for a fact that Gil literally emptied his vault in his battle against Enkidu. @jashro44: Living Gil still isn’t going to help much. Karna is a strong Servant. Follow 37193. Gil admitted Kingu could have murdered him if his memories didn't interfere and make him conflicted. Servant Merlin couldn’t do jack against Gorgon while Living Merlin showed up and just negated the Chaos Tide. @devoidruby: I guess living Gil if he is stronger. Combining these factors, Archer Heracles is considered to be among the strongest Heroic Spirits. Secondly using strange fake as an example is bad because they were both playing around. Nine Lives matched a full GoB barrage which is more than I'm under the impression Caster Gilgemesh dishes out normally. This is likely the legendary mystic code. Special effects are why GoB is so hard for servants to handle. Not seeing how this is a fight. In Strange Fake, Enkidu uses an NP that lets him make weapons out of earth to counter GoB. Sy8000. Gilgamesh :: Naturally. Which shows Enkidu can deal with everything in Gil’s vault Just fine. But yes he's Gil's closest match, except maybe Buddha. It would make no sense for this to be fair for Gilgamesh but I guess I should watch the new episode. Enkidu not having that is a huge difference. Granted, Caster Gil is less arrogant so he'll try firing at areas the pelt doesn't cover (the Nemean Lion's Pelt rejects everything from human history. So, while he can stalemate to a certain point, it's not like he can do it with no effort. Gilgamesh v.s EMIYA. Any feat that Gil performs that doesn’t involve an external amp like his genesis mystic code, Enkidu automatically scales to due to their legend. If beating Enkidu was as simple as pulling out a specific weapon or time and using its effect then Enkidu would have died in their first battle. Gil wasn't really overwhelmed. So the attack is essentially on par with Gate of Babylon projectile showers, except unlike GoB the weapons don't have extra abilities. By the by, it's a bit hard to compare Kingu to the Enkidu that appears in Strange Fake because their abilities are shown different. That was because Enkidu tied up Gil's leg though. I originally thought the same as you. In universe is one thing but Enkidu needs more feats against people who aren't Gilgamesh. Archer with enough mana supply for Broken Phantasms (12+ lives), Plus full powered Saber's Excalibur(6 to 12 lives), Medea spells … He has a clear advantage, but I would not be surprised if Herc somehow finds a way to beat him before he can be fully killed. @zgtfreak: Sorry, what I meant was you saying that Genesis Mystic Code in CCC can turn their stats into EX ranked (In Gilgamesh's case, it's his tattoo), but the Hollow Ataraxia when Gilgamesh uses that tattoo, it's him using 100% of his power and also, can the tattoo or Mystic Code in Hollow Ataraxia edit his ranks to EX or no? He also had good enough aim to shoot those jewels out of Ishtar's hand. Enkidu doesn’t need feats against other Servants when the feats he has prove he’s Gil’s equal by virtue of canonically stalemating him in lore and his battle against Gil in strange fake showing them as being dead equal. @devoidruby:>We know for a fact that Gil literally emptied his vault in his battle against Enkidu. @zgtfreak: what's the difference between the Mystic Code from CCC and Hollow Ataraxia? Enkidu has the basic aspect of his legend to show he’s Gilgamesh’s equal. @sy8000: Except we know for a fact that Enkidu stalemated living Gilgamesh who is vastly beyond his Servant self to the point neither could keep fighting. @mrballins says its a misconception if you read the fully translated game. I don’t think the basic Servant frame is capable of withstanding the power output of the legendary mystic code. Until then, I will accompany you in earnest while on my pleasure trip. So the Gilgamesh in CCC is equal to Gilgamesh when he was alive and also equivalent to a Grand Servant. And he obtained a power he never before had if we believe Mrballin's friend. Even if Hercules had more firepower, Enkidu or Ea would be insta win for Gilgamesh either way. Forum Posts. Enkidu has the best matchup against Gilgamesh by virtue of his own skills, which is why he’d have more trouble vs Karna than Gil might, but is still capable of matching Gil. Vernon Ave. Loudonville, OH 44842 Strange Fake portrays them as equal, with Enkidu having no trouble matching the Gate of Babylon and having no issue countering Ea with his Enuma Elish. If Gil was capable of matching Kingu truly as a Caster he would have been able to do similar things to Kingu and react accordingly. And the Kingu that fought Gil didn’t get as serious as SF Enkidu, who Alcides should be comparable too via his battle against Archer Gilgamesh. True Archer is a strong hero with parameters higher than Gilgamesh and strong enough to be denoted as quite strong by Enkidu's Presence Detection. And what's the misconception regarding his tattoo or mystic code? That was because Enkidu tied up Gil's leg though. Gil Beats certain servants easier than other servants because he naturally has the best matchup against them. Berserker, an antagonistic Servant in Fate/Prototype. Enkidu is a complete stalemate via canon. His skill in combat is such that even Hippolyta, the Queen of the Amazons and a … It’s FGO bond levels state they’re equal and he’s never been stated to be inferior to Gil in combat power. True Archer Herc wins mid-diff at the very most. And the Kingu that fought Gil didn’t get as serious as SF Enkidu, who Alcides should be comparable too via his battle against Archer Gilgamesh. It’s FGO bond levels state they’re equal and he’s never been stated to be inferior to Gil in combat power. I'm admittedly not super familiar with this version of Herc. @ecoblitz: It is because it isn’t something he Uses/has access to normally. Gil admitted Kingu could have murdered him if his memories didn't interfere and make him conflicted. Both versions have Bow of the Hydra and the Nemean Lion's Pelt though. So Gil = Enkidu > Alcides > Episode 5 Kingu > Living Caster Gilgamesh > Servant Caster Gilgamesh. After killing a number of the beasts, the group notice a scared girl, who Heracles runs towards. Different portrayals of characters and their abilities, simple as that. So Alcides dominates at range and up close. … Shinji may not take Archer's threats to heart, but Gilgamesh … @devoidruby: his mystic code is his original power... it’s not an amp but simply him returning back to his original power. What exactly would Gilgamesh have in other classes that he doesn't as Archer? So the attack is essentially on par with Gate of Babylon projectile showers, except unlike GoB the weapons don't have extra abilities. We know for a fact that Gil literally emptied his vault in his battle against Enkidu. Enkidu has the best matchup against Gilgamesh by virtue of his own skills, which is why he’d have more trouble vs Karna than Gil might, but is still capable of matching Gil. CasGil's profile also states that he has the same GoB as Archer (Babylonia Gil is actually more limited in that regard), so the fight should go the same way. They weren’t. It hasn't been stated there's a difference between them but we know Gil is inherently superior to all Servants via Nasuverse rules. One clash does not dead equals make. Gil is of course capable of beating nearly any character in the Nasuverse due to his absurdly op nature. Enkidu was clearly conflicted throughout the fight and it's not as if Gilgamesh can't fight without moving his leg. But he didn’t. A better fight is Archer Herk vs Karna, or Saber or whatever. Gilgamesh is a caster only. They're equal in combat but one has far more feats. 0. He holds strong morals, even going against the orders of his Master to preserve his heroism. His lack of versatility and raw power really hurts him in that department. The nature of Gate of Babylon makes it uncertain if the servant version has more weapons. If Gil was capable of matching Kingu truly as a Caster he would have been able to do similar things to Kingu and react accordingly. He didn't really win the fight by being stronger but more so by being smarter. Watched it. Secondly using strange fake as an example is bad because they were both playing around. 800-772-5488 Fax: 419-994-3396 229 N. Mt. Archer Gilgamesh being far more powerful is confirmed or at least heavily implied later in the story. Archer is a much bigger threat than Shirou, in that he's faster, stronger, smarter, all around better, and far, far more experienced. I will set aside my pride only in the final battle. Gilgamesh did empty his vault, but in that fight Enkidu lost 90% of his body. Servants | Archer (Fate Stay Night) - … Kingu had him dead to right with his casual Age of Babylon spam, while Alcides is capable of causally brushing his way through Archer Gil’s GoB spam. He does seem to be stronger if the statements after the fight are to be believed but I don't think the gap is massive is what I am saying. Kingu had him dead to right with his casual Age of Babylon spam, while Alcides is capable of causally brushing his way through Archer Gil’s GoB spam. Which is a crucial difference. I thought Gilgamesh was holding his own throughout the fight, or at least that's how it looked. From what I've heard and read of the new SF volume, apparently Gil actually gains the upper hand on Alcides by using only GoB and only loses due to Ishtar sealing it with her key, so Gil should win this. Hercules' would be strongest as an Archer, but seeing how hopelessly outnumbered he is in terms of firepower, I don't think it would've made a difference. A demigod, the son of Zeus and a mortal woman, he was plagued by rage all his life despite his exceptional skills. Any feat that Gil performs that doesn’t involve an external amp like his genesis mystic code, Enkidu automatically scales to due to their legend. Gil’s gonna have a harder time given Alcides has Magic Resistance A, Battle Continuation A+ and top notch Minds Eye along with a One shot method via his hydra arrows. Everyone in GO is fodder to CCC Gilgamesh, including Grand Servants and Beasts. In universe is one thing but Enkidu needs more feats against people who aren't Gilgamesh. I don't remember Merlin being a servant when he reappeared but he was the one keeping Tiamat asleep in the first place even when fighting Gorgon. @sy8000: Except we know for a fact that Enkidu stalemated living Gilgamesh who is vastly beyond his Servant self to the point neither could keep fighting. Everyone in GO is fodder to CCC Gilgamesh, including Grand Servants and Beasts. 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